I know that many of you are wondering why I opted to put a picture of Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz up? Well, he was a not so good cop in that he stole money from the very program he helped to create and run. He didn’t beat anyone or shoot anyone, in fact, by all accounts as far as his job was concerned, the one where he worked the streets as a cop, he was rather exemplary at it.
As of today however, his own brothers and sisters in uniform, in turn upon learning of his crime have since dubbed him a disgrace and are now tossing around through media, accusations of additional indiscretions/misconduct, by this officer. News comments sections are lighting up already this morning over that headline.
Think about those of you who used Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz’s death as a way to parlay and insinuate that police are; bad, thugs, racists, gun toting mafia types, who protect each other, rape women and, who shoot to kill anything that moves especially unarmed, innocent African Americans.
Maybe Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz was a coward in the end, maybe he wasn’t. His death however opened a door and exposes us to how we really feel as a nation about police, most importantly about how we feel about each other. This is the real Ferguson Effect. It actually has a hell of a lot less to do with racial bias on the part of police than most people realize. The overall consensus is that cops are thugs, hired mob men, rapists, liars, bullies, thieves…the list just spirals down and out from then on.
Of course everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, just keep in mind however that, when shared publicly on forums or message boards if you speak hate, you breed it. If you continue to say things such as “and to think the police blamed blacks for this, now who is to blame, whites” you continue to breed racist views.
You continue to be the problem.
We, the public are keeping us divided by race, sexual orientation, age and gender. We speak it daily, we live it daily and we teach it to our children. The Ferguson Effect has more to do with how we feel about one another than how our police feel about us. Our policing issues are a way different beast altogether.
I actually took the time to read through countless articles, message boards, forums and the like and put together a rather interesting take on how the public in general feels. As much as I could, I tried to capture some of the more negative comments because, like the media chooses to do, I wanted to give you a one sided view.
NBC had a great start with: Video shows Cop Body Slamming High School Girl in SC Classroom.
The first paragraph:
“The FBI has been asked to investigate an incident at a South Carolina high school Monday in which a police officer appeared to body slam a female student and drag her across a classroom.”
“The confrontation, captured on cellphone video at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, S.C., has drawn intense criticism on social media, from the school district’s Black Parents Association — the student is African-American — and the American Civil Liberties Union of South Carolina, which called the deputy’s actions ‘egregious.’”
“the student is African-American.” You know if the media stuck more to facts rather than race we wouldn’t have so much of the Ferguson Effect, i.e. racial bias on the part of police, going on and we could deal with the real issues with policing in America which I might add, no one has a clue about because we are too busy making those issues into race issues.
IF the media actually gave a shit they would have stuck to the story without having had to involve the race of the girl. What happened was they creatively, and with gross negligence, inserted race as if it mattered into the story. It didn’t matter, the article was fine the way it started and should have maintained that the entire way through. That would have been integrity at it’s fullest.
Making statements like “the school district’s Black Parents Association” hell even having a Black Parent’s Association speaks volumes to a kid. Do we not have PTA’s in all school districts in this country that are made up of all races of the parents or do blacks need to separate, as in to segregate themselves from the other races?
Is everyone missing this or…when groups up and decide they need to create the same group but one for their own race they are only segregating themselves and by doing so they are breeding the very definition of racism.
Every time race is inserted into a news story, commentary, or headline we create an atmosphere that indulges itself in those ideas. In turn, in our minds they become the real issue because it’s being shoved down our throats at every turn.
I agree with FBI director James B Comey in that we have an issue currently with policing in America, I don’t agree with him, the media and myself included, calling it The Ferguson Effect.
I don’t agree with that because, that title, in and of itself further perpetuates the idea and notion that race is the underlying issue with policing in this country. It’s not!
What our government, community leaders, BLM and other groups should be looking at is what are the real issues and work on those. So people like Hillary Clinton shouldn’t be sitting with people like Michael Brown’s mother, Tamir Rice’s mother or Trayvon Martins mother and figuring out how to stop police from shooting innocent African-American Males, who happened to be breaking the fucking law at the time they got shot. three upstanding, shining examples of young American Men who were blatantly showing the entire world just how much someone else’s life mattered at the time they were each shot. She does us all a disservice by once again turning this into a race issue. Doesn’t she have some damn Benghazi scandal to continue to cover up anyway?
We have great police departments all over across this country, ones that seemingly do everything right, yet we have some where the very communities they police fear them. Why? Address that, without the benefit of using race as the reason the relationship between a community and its officers has broken down if you dig enough you’re going to find the truth. It’s not race at all.
It is a two way street, both sides need to stop using race as reasons, justification and excuses. Simply put, race needs to stop being used as a reason to behave badly, as an excuse as to why someone feels that they have been unjustly treated and/or seemingly held back from being able to live the life they feel that they deserve.
Every time race is used as a reason for something, a way to hurt or insult another, the very idea that we are divided as a nation and a people is further instilled into the young minds of all young American’s.
Below, are some of the many news articles I made it through with some of the comments posters made to further drive home the point that The Ferguson Effect is more about our misguided views, perpetuated by a media starved for any action because it sells advertising time. It does highlight though that the public is upset and angry at our police but why? Reading the comments I saw a lot of regurgitation of information but nothing that would indicate why someone hates cops so much…a real reason, something personal…
Anyway, if you make it all the way to end you might get a chuckle out of the last article, where I included my own personal comments. Admittedly, reading a lot of these can bring you down a little so the last article is a little on the fun side.
*Note, I didn’t take the time to correct any grammar or spelling errors that posters made I just copied over the comments I found on each news site.*
The Washington Post, August 8, 2015 “Ferguson: The Police Still Killing Unarmed Black Men One Year Later”
7:24 AM EST
the entire issue is fabricated in an effort to get black voters to the poles next year.
10/27/2015 2:35 PM EDT
Since blacks commit 40% to 50% (depending of the year) of all voilent crimes it should be no surprise they are 40% of those shot while unarmed.
the “police are out to get black people” narrative is a media made myth.
10/30/2015 12:49 AM EDT
How about we try looking at the inverse scenario? Of 800,000 police officers in this country, an average of 23 are killed each year by African Americans. Of 41,700,000 African Americans in this country, an average of 238 are killed each year by police (regardless of justification). That means that police officers are generally at least 5 times more likely to be killed by an African American than an African-American is to be killed by the police.
10/11/2015 10:25 PM EDT
“Anyone who doubts the vicious anti-white racism displayed by the controlled mass media in America need only consider the fact that they have ignored at least 9,000 nonwhite upon nonwhite murders which have occurred in the last year in favor of the Zimmerman/Martin case where they tried to show ‘white racism.’
According to the FBI’s own statistics, there were 14,548 homicides in 2011. Of this number, 5,486, or 53.7 percent, of the offenders were identified as black, and another 4.077 as “unknown.”http://newobserveronline.com/media-ignores-9000-bl…
10/8/2015 8:34 PM EDT
When 30% of your male population has been in jail at one time or another, and most of the murders committed in the 4 worst cities in the country are caused by black gangs and black drug dealing, then the cops are going to err on the side of caution. If 70% of black children grow up without fathers and then you blame society because your culture is uneducated, uncontrolled, and challenges authority, then you have only yourself to blame. Keep challenging the cops so they are hesitant to stop the real criminals so your cities and areas stay drug riddled toilets. Keep pushing rap and gansta lifestyles as things to achieve instead of education and hard work and eventually someone will take out the thugs either through legal or illegal means. Why do you think concealed carry permits are still on the rise?
8/16/2015 10:19 PM EDT
Individuals (BLACK, WHITE, HISPANICS,ASIAN, ETC.) who do not respect authority and do not comply to Officers commands cause many of these tragic incidents by their own behavior resulting in DEATH. Believe the numbers or not, MORE WHITES ARE KILLED BY POLICE EVERY YEAR THAN BLACKS. Where are the PROTESTERS about the BLACK on BLACK CRIMES like MURDERS, ROBBERIES, HOME INVASIONS,ETC.???? This counry has been going down hill for past 7 years due the present Administration Policies.
Finally a really good response to the article….
8/14/2015 8:27 PM EDT
Admittedly, the disparity in the number of unarmed black men killed warrants an examination of what is happening, but it is only a starting point, and does not remotely justify any conclusion on its own. A lot of factors that have nothing to do with racial profiling could easily be the cause.
For example, after the Trayvon Martin shooting, the Tampa Bay Times built a database of killings in Florida where the killer claimed self-defense (supposedly a database of ‘Stand-Your-Ground” cases, but included cases, like Martin’s, where SYG was not a factor). Initially they reported that they had found that those who killed black men were significantly more likely to avoid charges or be acquitted than those who killed members of other races, a point played up in the media to attack self-defense laws as racially biased. However, the Tampa Bay Times gave no explanation for this fact that they reported out of context, and simply implied that it was due to racism.
But the very next day they reported *all* the statistics from the database, in a story largely ignored, including the fact that the reason why the killers of black men were convicted of a crime less often was because when black men were killed in cases where self-defense was claimed, they were significantly more likely than any other group to be armed and/or committing a violent crime when killed. And the people who killed them were overwhelmingly black victims of those violent crimes. That explained why their killers weren’t convicted of crimes, not racial bias.
The point is that while statistics like the one reported in this story, and the one cherry-picked and reported out of context initially by the Tampa Bay Times should cause one to ask for answers as to why there is such a difference, neither of them remotely justify jumping to the conclusion that the correct answer is racism. Each case needs to be evaluated individually, and factors that differ between cases, other than race, must also be considered.
Mother Jones, July 29, 2015 – Cincinnati Cop Charged With Murder in Fatal Shooting of Unarmed Black Man
Gene Starwind • 3 months ago
They’ll get an all-white jury that will acquit yet another murderer with a badge. Dexter would be so proud.
CatKinNY Guest • 3 months ago
You seem to be under the misapprehension that the police are allowed to execute people who are attempting to flee after they stop them for something trivial. THEY ARE NOT, which is why Tensing has been arrested for murder, as was Michael Slager in Charleston.
Cops had better wake up to the fact that they are operating in a world transformed by video cameras, where their sworn statements that they feared for their lives won’t be accepted by prosecutors or jurors who can watch what they did with their own eyes and judge them on it.
FYI, Tennessee v Garner, which held that the police may only fire on fleeing FELONY suspects IF they have reasonable cause to think the suspect is an imminent danger to themselves or others, was decided in 1985; what Tensing did has been unambiguously against the law longer than he’s been alive. If they can’t shoot fleeing burglars, they REALLY can’t shoot you for a missing license plate.
Local Guy LittleLion8U • 3 months ago
You think the cop wanted to kill that guy? He woke up that morning saying “Ima kill a black man today!” AND! I’m going to make sure my camera is working.
Seditious Local Guy • 3 months ago
It must be nice to have the issue of Black people being executed over trivial offenses, at the end of the day, be Diversions From Work. I guess that comes from not having to worry about your child or your husband or your cousins or your co-workers or your sister every time we hop in the car. Must be nice.
Nikki Ramey LittleLion8U • 3 months ago
Living in Cincinnati, I can tell that he did NOTHING WRONG. SAM WAS A GOOD PERSON, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE SHIRT OFF HIS BACK. I HAVE SEEN WORST SITUATIONS WHERE THEY DIDN’T KILL THE PERSON. BUT THEN AGAIN THAT PERSON WAS WHITE. I FEEL SORRY FOR THIS COUNTRY. THAT COLOR STILL PLAYS A FACTOR IN WHO LIVES AND WHO DIES, I FEEL SORRY THAT IGNORANCE IS STILL JUSTIFIED BY THE IGNORANT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO YOU WILL SEE HE DID NOT PULL OFF AND HE CAN START HIS CAR. POLICE ARE NOT GODS, BUT MAYBE TO SOME ASSHOLES THEY MAY BE SLAVE CONTROL. BUT WE ARE NO LONGER SLAVES.
aoeu Local Guy • 3 months ago
so it wasn’t on purpose, someone just gave a retard a gun and a badge…
The Washington Post November 4, 2015 – Illinois police officer whose death prompted a manhunt was killed in ‘carefully staged suicide,’ officials say
10:33 AM EST
And now we know this guy had a long history of disciplinary problems, including threatening to put three bullets in a police dispatcher’s chest! And yet he was promoted into positions of authority! The PD was fully aware he was a rogue cop, yet they celebrated him as a “hero”, and tried to cover up his crimes!
11/5/2015 10:03 AM EST
How many innocent citizens were harassed and/or detained during the manhunt that ensued after this jackwad took his own life?
11/5/2015 7:49 AM EST
This should not be the end of the investigation. Those within the police department and city government who tried to pressure, muzzle and vilify the coroner, who must have known within a few days that this was a suicide, should pay with their jobs.
11/5/2015 7:06 AM EST
A non-thinker, a spectacle suicide to have every aspect of hie life examined!
He should of taken up sky diving and sabotaged the parachute!
Instead he was addicted to the Hollywood script of two Honkies and a Brother!
11/5/2015 5:27 AM EST
Funny how the leader of the fraternal order of murdering pigs is going off about Quentin Tarantino….
But not a word about this fake “fallen hero” scumbag.
11/5/2015 5:08 AM EST
Turns out the “hero” is just another scummy stinking pig…
At least this one shot the right person.
11/5/2015 4:17 AM EST
Isn’t this always the case? With almost 30 years as a Cop your telling me someone didn’t look the other way? And that’s the problem with law enforcement…the corruption is systemic. Whether it be bearing false witness on Police Reports or covering up the corruption of others, most Cops are crooked. I just can’t wrap my mind around what is worse. Actively being corrupt, or witnessing corruption and doing nothing about it…even lying to protect the other Cops from being held accountable. Time and time again, these guys attempt to join the FBI and are rejected after the lie detector test. Gee, I wonder why? Every Cop who ever worked with this guy probably has their life under a Microscope right now. I see a lot of “Early” retirements and lateral transfers on the Horizon. I’ll bet there are tons of Lawyers who had contact with him that would tell you the same thing. Some that I’ve talked to over the years have told me that a lot of Cops are compulsive liars when it comes to advancing their careers or explaining inconsistencies in their reports.
11/5/2015 12:21 AM EST
Oh and the right wing propaganda was blowing up after this happened with the right wing calling for a shoot-first approach to black men because they were certain, beyond any doubt, that it was “black thugs” from Chicago that had traveled to Fox Lake to assassinate this police officer. I was so appalled by what I was reading all over the place at that time and was truly fearful that many unsuspecting, innocent people would get roughed up or worse during the manhunt and investigation.
I also am really confused how gunshot residue tests immediately done would not tell investigators what they now admit to…that the stippling showed this shooting was self-inflicted.
I am so disgusted right now.
11/4/2015 11:26 PM EST
I guess Fox will have to look for a new poster boy for BlueLivesMatter.
Fox News November 4, 2015 – Illinois police officer’s shooting death called ‘carefully staged suicide
Kashmere2823 hours ago
Do you sheep believe there are some bad cops now? Or are you still in denial?
TellMeSomethingGood23 hours ago
So did this guy lie and say it was Black men who shot him? If true, what else is new? Cops need to look at their own. I don’t like Black Lives Matter and I don’t like the cop community turning a blind eye to the fact they have a LOT of bad cops.
Kashmere2823 hours ago
You don’t need a college degree to be a good cop. No wonder our country is going down hill. We value pieces of paper more than a person’s potential.
ChukUFarley1 day ago
Just another crooked cop
spqrome1 day ago
Contrary to what cons believe……some cops are criminals too.
For some strange reason, cons believe that the laws that apply to you and I should not apply to cops. And anything they do is above scrutiny and should never be questioned.
It’s very similar to the police states of Iran and NK
Kato30001 day ago
When they first announced this cop’s death, the blogs were filled with racism and blaming BLM. My oh my the conversation looks different now.
guestfornow1 day ago
@Kato3000 No, it’s still the same…… BLM SUCKS!
ABC News November 4, 2015 – Fox Lake Officer Committed Suicide After Years of ‘Extensive Criminal Acts’
trompe l’oeil Mhysa • a day ago
Really setting an example of what to expect from that line of work though
trompe l’oeil Abron • a day ago
My grandfather was a captain of detectives, trained by the FBI.
He told me about corrupt politicians and police since I was very young, first hand. Denying that there are criminal police is seriously naive
Wastrel Way Code of the West • 20 hours ago
Most of us do not have extensive contact with criminals, the ability to assist them with their problems, and we do not experience the temptations that arise. It’s quite likely that more police fall into corruption than ordinary citizens
me jackson Code of the West • 11 hours ago
I think you’re seriously naive. The “Blue LIne” mentality among police officers keeps the truth about true police criminality from being revealed.
Police have a difficult job But no one forces them into the profession. They do so knowing the hardships and the privileges it provides, including the ability to retire at 55 years (for most LE agencies.
they are held above mere citizens because they are supposed to uphold the law. Officers who violate that position are therefore destructive to the rule of law and should be held accountable.
This officer’s suicide is a tragedy for his family-my sympathies go out to them. But he is nonetheless a police officer who violated his public trust.
me jackson Code of the West • 3 hours ago
“Your opinion is meaningless” a typical law enforcement response-“who cares what those we are sworn to protect think.”
It will be the downfall of LE in this nation if such thinking continues. People are tired of police officers hiding the crimes of the minority of their numbers. In the past 20 years, I’ve seen a big difference in the way juries accept, or don’t accept, the testimony of LE officers.
“Meaningless” will be the status of respect for LE unless LE changes.
Fox News November 5, 2015 – Widow and Son Under Investigation in Embezzlement Scheme – http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/05/widow-son-illinois-officer-under-investigation-in-embezzlement-scheme/?intcmp=hplnws
JoseCalo46 minutes ago
Look at all the other 5000 cops attending his funeral despite knowing the facts about their crooked buddy ?. What does this tell us ? That they approve of his behavior and stick by him no matter what ? Only gangsters and Mafia types attend the funerals of their deceased fellow wrongdoers in good conscience, or lack of it. He didn’t deserve to have so many fellow cops at his funeral. I sincerely hope that traffic was not blocked and public resources – i.e. gas, motorcycles, cars, time, tax payer money, etc – were not used to honor this thief. This is why we need to be vigilant with respect to cops. Look at their behavior – sticking together even in the face of clear and proven wrongdoing by one of their own. That says a lot about our Police Forces and their dangerous brotherhood.
bharata37 minutes ago
@JoseCalo If you look at the distributions of the psychological profiles of policemen and of convicted felons, they are almost identical.
bharata15 minutes ago
@ServedwithPride1973 @JoseCalo We have reached the point where the police cause more harm than they prevent. We would be better off with no cops than with the cops that we have.
JoseCalo1 hour ago
To think that this guy’s buddies and coworkers were angry at the Coroner’s release of these facts is abominable. It only indicates how dangerous this Blue Wall of Silence is. We need to keep an eye on our police officers, be suspicious of them, for often they turn out to be more ruthless than the bad people they supposedly protect us from.
northernpike257 minutes ago
@JoseCalo Wake up amigo, the only people they protect are themselves.
JoseCalo1 hour ago
Crooked cop. I sincerely hope that all the testimony this guy gave in court that led to the arrest, imprisonment, or fining of citizens is thrown out and such sentences reversed and thrown out. No wonder people question cops and trust them less.
DaisyCutterGBU1 hour ago
@JoseCalo He embezzled money, he didn’t falsify his criminal cases. You do see the difference right?
JohnCPR1 hour ago
@DaisyCutterGBU @JoseCalo How do you know what he is/was capable of doing?
lockwoodj1 hour ago
Let’s hope the media covers this with all the vigor they expended, when they bought into the false “Black Lives Matter” narrative. Bad cops are just that, bad cops. And everyone thought this was one of the good ones. No, there is no systemic problems within the LE community. When will “good cops” stand up and demand accountability? Perhaps this is indicative of what constitutes “good cops.”
Fox News November 6, 20158 – Crooked Illinois cop’s colleagues accused him of sexual harassment, threatening behavior
777211 24 minutes ago
FOX IS STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BLAME THIS ON A BLACK GUY
fricsaid6 minutes ago
When this story first broke, Fox turned this guy in to a Martyr.
Shame on you Fox.
Shame on society for their rush to judgment.
SomeOneYouDontKnow11 minutes ago
Cops are a paid organized gang of th ugs and criminals.
aquarian15 minutes ago
How reassuring to see that local police promote trouble cops.
SomeOneYouDontKnow17 minutes ago
Only in America do we pay cops to be an organized gang of th ugs to harass it’s citizens.
777211222 minutes ago
DEATH WAS TO GOOD FOR THIS POS COP
abingdonitte23 minutes ago
This seems like the culture of police in general, not just one “bad apple”. They’re basically frat boys who think they can do whatever they want. They graduated high school and had no one left to pick on, so wearing a badge gives them back that power.
scribe3s30 minutes ago
The guy obviously had more than a few problems. Look at his desire to remain as close as possible to the military, paratrooper tats, and the haircut (high and tight doesn’t begin to describe it). He looked like a real piece of work, however I think he was very volatile and unpredictable, therefore people were afraid to get involved with him.
The Hill May 22, 2015 – Why no outrage for other victims of police brutality?
avenger 3 • 5 months ago
Why no outrage that 12.8% blacks commit 65% of the crime in this country. The problem is not the police, it is the thugs.
Elbert Dempsey • 5 months ago
The reason is because blacks live for any controversy that can get them something for free. Blacks are a unique species of worthless people looking for something for nothing.
Zapp B. Guest • 5 months ago
Black males between the ages of 15-34 comprise about 3% of the US population. That group is responsible for over half of the violent crimes in the US. Care to explain how the cops are targeting them again?
My Personal Favorites:
This joke of a news story:
CNN November 6, 2015 – Man almost arrested in officer’s death
Yes, he claims he was “almost” arrested, I believe what he meant was the police asked him to come in for questioning and provide proof that he was not in the area during the shooting. But yeah, I totally felt his fear and anxiety that resulted from his “Almost” arrest. Ladies and Gent’s don’t step outside because you too could “Almost” be arrested for just about anything these days. I mean the the options are limitless considering the insane police in this country will make up anything they can to “ALMOST” arrest you.
And this one that I have no words for:
Newser November 6, 2015 – Sources: Crooked Cop Had Son Marry His Mistress
Lastly, this news story, it hits home for someone like me. It strikes the most profound fear that I have ever experienced in my life. I am now afraid to drink coffee and drive.
In fact, I am so terrified, I can’t eat, I can’t sleep, I can’t drink my coffee without living in constant fear that some gun toting, lunatic, wayward cop is going to stop me, take my coffee away, rape me, shoot me, racially profile me, beat me, threaten me and worse yet, ALMOST arrest me. Then he and his out of control, mafia type, lying, cheating cop buddies will cover up the fact that they stole my coffee. Without reason, motive or cause. Just like that, they took it away.
I am forced to live in constant fear that because I am a coffee drinker the police will take my coffee away from me. I would put my hands up but I then I would have nowhere to put my coffee.
Fox9.com October 20, 2015 – Minnesota woman pulled over for drinking coffee while driving
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